East London Pluckroses
Origins
Continued from Tree 1010.
Points of interest
- James John Pluckrose (PL1347) had an unconventional marriage. His had two children by his first wife, Catherine Papera in 1857 and 1861. He then had further children by Catherine Norton in 1867, 1874, 1876, 1879 and 1889. He married Catherine Norton in 1878 soon after the death of his first wife in the Walworth Infirmary from TB.
- in 1911 James John Pluckrose (PL1409) shot and killed his wife after an argument. You can read about this in the History section.
Detailed Notes
| PL No | Surname | Forenames | Notes |
| 1370 | BADSEY | Isabella | C1911: age 46, born Millwall, married 23 years, 10 children, 6 living. All six living children have been identified, two who have died have not yet been identified. |
| 2772 | BAILEY | Sarah | C1901; |
| 1482 | BEASLEY | Lilian Doora | Known from Philip Pluckrose's website. Migrated to Colorado. |
| 2778 | BUTCHER | Sarah Ann | C1881; C1891; C1901; |
| 1361 | CHAPMAN | Rebecca | Maiden name known from son's birth certificate. C1871: 72, widow, born Bermondsey, living in Shadwell with her daughter Rebecca. |
| 1483 | DANIELL | Dora Amy | No children found. |
| 4172 | DAVID | Edith | No children found. |
| 2394 | JONES | Harriett | C1851, C1861, C1871. Not found in later censuses. |
| 1488 | KERCHEN | Margaret Charlotte | No birth or death record found. Several members of the family can be found in the 1964 electoral register living at 3 Sherwood Park Avenue, in Bexley: Margaret C (mother), Joan C, Ronald James, Irene M, Molly E and James J. |
| 2785 | LILLY | William Edward | C1911: 29, born Stratford, bricklayer. |
| 2390 | LOWEN | James W | A widower when he married Ann. |
| 1479 | MAASEN | Wilhelmina Josephina | Known from Philip Pluckrose's website |
| 4207 | MCGUINESS | Charlotte Mary A | Witnesses at her marriage to James John were Thomas Edward Pluckrose and Esther Pluckrose. C1911: age 24, born Hoxton, 2 children, both living. James died in 1923 and Charlotte remarried in 1927 (to Albert Clash). She died in 1937 aged 50. |
| 1485 | MCGUINESS | Esther Rosina | Amos Harrington and Edith Isabella Pluckrose were witnesses at her marriage to Thomas Pluckrose. The widowed Esther married Harold Oliver Denning, a clerk, in 1920. |
| 4208 | MENDAY | Timothy | National Probate Calendar 1956: Menday, Tim of The Rosary Hotwater Lane Laindon Basildon Essex died 20 Feb 1947. Administration London 8 March (1956) to Lucy Menday widow. Effects £312. |
| 1492 | MURRAY | James | Shipwright and mariner. A widower when he married Rebecca. |
| 2393 | NOLIN | Mary | C1841 |
| 4178 | PALMER | Minnie | There is a confusing 1911 census record involving Minnie. The enumerator has entered "X Jane Palmer" on the signature line, so presumably Minnie's mother was responsible for completing the return. She obviously found it difficult. Minnie is recorded as: Minnie Palmer, daughter, 20 single, cardboard box maker, born St Luke. James Pluckrose, grandson, 1 month is also listed. James Pluckrose is absent. Others present were Charles Palmer, 54, sweep, Minnie's sister, Annie (24 and single), and C Palmer, 6, grandson.The family were living in two rooms at 64 Bartwick Street, St Luke. I am reasonably certain that James Pluckrose was doing nine months hard labour for coining at the time (see History section). |
| 1362 | PAPERA | Catherine | C1871; |
| 1422 | PEART | Mary Ann | C1891: age 69, born in Shadwell; C1901: now a widow living with her married daughter, Lucy Blake, in Guildford, 79, born Shadwell. |
| 1383 | PLUCKROSE | Alexander David William | 1911: age 4, born Lambeth, with his wid. father. Usually just "Alexander William". |
| 1391 | PLUCKROSE | Alexander David William | Migrated to Colorado |
| 2783 | PLUCKROSE | Alfred George | C1901. |
| 2359 | PLUCKROSE | Amy | C1901 |
| 2378 | PLUCKROSE | Ann | James and Ann had about 5 children (1861 census) |
| 2349 | PLUCKROSE | Ann | C1841; C1851: scholar; C1861: dressmaker; C1871: 32, unm, dressmaker. She may have married in 1881 to: George Cawston, Charles Lister, Robert Piet, A N Other. |
| 2389 | PLUCKROSE | Ann | C1851 records a birth in Ireland but the 1861 has the correct place, Shoreditch. In 1861, 1871 and 1881 she and
her widowed mother are living together, both working as collarmakers. C1901: not found. No marriage or death records found. |
| 2345 | PLUCKROSE | Ann Elizabeth | She probably married George Henry Jones Q1 1894 Westminster 1a 820. Not found in 1901 census (Jones is a common name), but the other pair on the register page are Auguste Henry Bron and Leonie Marie Leduc, whose French names go well together. The Brons are not found in the 1910 census either. |
| 1373 | PLUCKROSE | Annie Beatrice | C1911; death record not found. |
| 2383 | PLUCKROSE | Benjamin Thomas | C1841 in Eltham with father and brother William. C1851, lodger, unmarried, farm labourer, living near to his wid. brother John. Not found in later censuses. A possible death in Greenwich RD in Q2 1857. |
| 1412 | PLUCKROSE | Benjamin Thomas | Also known as Thomas Benjamin. He married 23 May 1915. Occupation soldier. His sister, Maria, was a witness. His service record shows that he was previously a fireman. |
| 1372 | PLUCKROSE | Catherine Florence | C1911 |
| 2364 | PLUCKROSE | Charles Edward | C1901; C1911: 11, at school. National Probate Calendar 1961 : Pluckrose, Charles Edward of 57 Marlow House Hallfield Estate London W.2 died 2 December 1969 at St Columba's Hospital Hampstead London. Administration London 23 February to May Florence Pluckrose widow. Effects £659 10s 11d. |
| 1411 | PLUCKROSE | Charlotte Ellen | C1911: Living in the same house as her parents. Husband Frederick probably works in the same foundry as the rest of the family. Two young sons. |
| 2343 | PLUCKROSE | Edward | C1871; C1881: errand boy; |
| 1414 | PLUCKROSE | Edward | He left a "Soldier's Will" (See GOV.UK) |
| 1367 | PLUCKROSE | Edward St Clair | C1901: NF; C1911: NF. |
| 4157 | PLUCKROSE | Elizabeth S | C1911: Age 8. |
| 2339 | PLUCKROSE | Elizabeth Sarah | C1861: b. Crippegate, 1859; C1871. She may have died giving birth: there is a birth registered in Westminster in Q3 1882: William Hanwell. |
| 1365 | PLUCKROSE | Emma Rebecca | Her birth certificate records that her mother is Catherine Pluckrose, formerly Norton, even though John's wife,
Catherine Papera, is still alive. C1911: she is living in Stratford (Essex), wife, 36, born Shadwell. Also in the household are: David Harrington (14) nephew and Henry Pluckrose (6) nephew, both born in Shoreditch. No husband on the return. |
| 2357 | PLUCKROSE | Emma Rowley | C1901; C1911: living in Paddington, married to William, a greengrocer, 5 children, 4 surviving. |
| 2372 | PLUCKROSE | Esther Amy | C1901; C1911: 16, single, machinist/tailoring. |
| 1353 | PLUCKROSE | Ethel L Diana | National Probate Calendar 1965: MOSS Ethel Louise Diana of 98 Victoria Drive London S.W.19 died 22 February 1965. Administration London 12 April to Frank Albert Moss accounts clerk. £758. |
| 2782 | PLUCKROSE | Ethel Violet | C1891; C1901. A possible death in Lewes in Q4 1955. |
| 2784 | PLUCKROSE | Florence Harriett | C1891: with Joseph and Ellen Hide - niece; C1901; C1911: 28, born Stepney, single, dressmaker, living in Greenwich, a boarder in the Pretty household. She marries the son, Benjamin Pretty, a year later. |
| 1349 | PLUCKROSE | Frank Frederick | C1911: a painter |
| 4176 | PLUCKROSE | Frederick Amos | C1911 |
| 2776 | PLUCKROSE | George Henry | C1901; |
| 4214 | PLUCKROSE | Granville George | The family is living at 148 Armagh Road in 1937 (Electoral Register): Albert & Charlotte Clash, Granville, James and Doris Pluckrose. |
| 2396 | PLUCKROSE | Hannah | 1851: house servant in London recorded as Hannah Lowen, 20, unmarried, b. Woodford Bridge. C1861: Hannah Mason, "wife" although not yet married to William Mason. Married in 1863, no father named for her daughter Hannah. |
| 2342 | PLUCKROSE | Hannah Louisa | Hannah was married in Q8 1884, Pancras 1b 233, to either Frederick James Lacock or Charles Sibley; [4th party was Harriett Kate Bishop]. Not found in the 1891 or 1901 censuses. |
| 2358 | PLUCKROSE | Hannah Louisa | C1901 (recorded as Harriett) |
| 2336 | PLUCKROSE | Hannah Sarah | C1851: dressmaker. |
| 2395 | PLUCKROSE | Harriett Rebecca | C1851, C1861 |
| 2346 | PLUCKROSE | Henry | C1881; C1891: errand boy; C1901; living in a lodging house in St Giles, unmarried, coal porter. This is almost certainly the Henry Pluckrose who served two terms of three month's hard labour in 1900 and 1901 for theft from his employer (see History section). |
| 1350 | PLUCKROSE | Henry Frederick | C1901: living with his grandmother, Catherine Norton; C1911: 17, single, artificial teeth maker, living with his
uncle Henry Thomas at the Marquis of Wellington. On his marriage certificate he is recorded as: Driver 36758 Royal Engineers. The National Roll of the Great War has more information: Pluckrose, H.F., Private, R.A.S.C. (H.T.). He volunteered in March 1915 and was in the same year drafted to France. He was attached to the 252nd Company, Royal Engineers, and did valuable service in many sectors, including those of the Somme, Arras, Albert, Passchendaele, St Quentin, Peronne, Festubert, Le Cateau, Cambrai and during the Retreat and Advance of 1918. He was demobilised in April 1918, and holds the 1914-15 Star, General Service and Victory Medals. 146, Tyer's Street, Kennington, S.E.11. |
| 1351 | PLUCKROSE | Henry John Thomas | Henry and Phyllis travelled to Melbourne on the Orontes leaving London on 25 October 1960. They were resident in Hinchcliffe and their stated intention was to return to England. They arrived in Freemantle on 22 November - presumably a port-of-call en-route to 5 Irving Avenue, Murrembeena, Victoria. |
| 1389 | PLUCKROSE | Henry Mark Thomas | Henry and Wilhemina migrated to Australia on the S.S. Otranto on 4 October 1955. Their UK address was Bungalow Farm, East Chinnock, Nr Yeovil, Somerset, their destination was Melbourne. Henry's occupation was described as "farming". |
| 1348 | PLUCKROSE | Henry Thomas | Mother shown as Catherine Pluckrose, formerly Norton, even though John's wife, Catherine Papera, is still alive. There is scope for confusion here. There were two Henry Thomas Pluckroses born in 1876: Q1 1876 Pancras, 1b, 19 Q4 1876 Stepney, 1c, 445 . . . probably our Henry T There is a death ... Henry T Pluckrose Q4 1962, Christchurch, 6b, 273, aged 86 . . . who could be either in the absence of a certificate. C1911: wid, 34, born Shadwell, public house manager (The Marquess of Wellington in Colwyn Street, Lambeth), only two sons are mentioned: Henry John Thomas (6) and Alexander William (4). His nephew, Henry Frederick Pluckrose (PL1350) is also resident. |
| 2347 | PLUCKROSE | Herbert John | C1881; |
| 4150 | PLUCKROSE | Irene M | In the 1964 electoral register for Bexley, living with her mother. |
| 4148 | PLUCKROSE | James J | In the 1964 & 1965 Bexley electoral registers, living with his mother. |
| 1347 | PLUCKROSE | James John | C1871: licensed victualler; C1881: licensed victualler. |
| 1409 | PLUCKROSE | James John | GRO births searched 1851-60 for other births in Brighton, but nothing found. GRO marriages searched 1848 - 1853 for a marriage in Brighton, but nothing found. Family not found in 1861 census. Family not found in 1881 census (including a search for any Pluckroses born in Brighton). C1911. |
| 1377 | PLUCKROSE | James John | C1861: age 3, b. Shadwell; C1871: age 13, b. Shadwell; C1881: James John, age 23, b. Wapping, cellarman at PH; C1891: age 33, b. Lambeth, waiter (Inn); C1901: age 42, b. Lambeth, licenced victualler (out of business); His birth was registered in the Lambeth RD (James Thomas). James John when he married. |
| 2779 | PLUCKROSE | James John | C1881; C1891; C1901; C1911: 24, married, cellarman, born Stepney. |
| 1371 | PLUCKROSE | James John | James Pluckrose, alias Brown, was convicted of larceny in February 1909, and on 10 December 1910 he was sentenced to nine months hard labour for coining (see History section). |
| 4211 | PLUCKROSE | James John | C1911 |
| 2386 | PLUCKROSE | Jane | C1841: in Green Lane Greenwich, aged 9 with her brother John and his wife, Mary; C1891: living in Greenwich (age 58 born Woodford) with husband, Peter, 63, born Warrington, Lancs and son William, 27, born Woolwich. |
| 1417 | PLUCKROSE | Jane | She is Phill Herold's grandmother. |
| 2361 | PLUCKROSE | Jessie Elizabeth | C1901; C1911: 21, single, ladies tailoress. |
| 4144 | PLUCKROSE | Joan C | She is in the 1964 Bexley electoral register. Nothing else found. |
| 1456 | PLUCKROSE | John | John and Hannah are in the 1841 census of Chingford (75&70) John is a shoemaker. |
| 1478 | PLUCKROSE | John | Known only from the 1841 and 1851 censuses where he is living with his brother Thomas in Stepney - he is unmarried age 57, born Woodford, a registered coal whipper. |
| 2381 | PLUCKROSE | John | I don't have any other source for John's birth yet. C1841: in Green Lane Greenwich with his wife, Mary, and his 9 year old sister, Jane; C1851: living in Charlton, a lodger, wid., age 31, farm lab., born Woodford, his brother, Benjamin, lives nearby. Not found in later censuses; there are a couple of possible deaths in South London ca 1858. |
| 2338 | PLUCKROSE | John | C1861: b. Aldersgate, 1857; C1871: with his grandparents, age 14, a brushmaker's porter; C1891;C1901; C1911: carman, living in Broad Street, Golden Square. |
| 1366 | PLUCKROSE | Lilian Alice | were, in fact, her grandparents (James John Pluckrose and Catherine Norton) and she was "adopted by her older brother and his wife. |
| 4136 | PLUCKROSE | Lily Margaret | She left a Will [National Probate Calendar 1961]. CAMERON, Lily Margaret of 15 Rivermead Avenue Exmouth Devon widow died 6 March 1961. Administration (with Will) Exeter 12 September to Benjamin Thomas Pluckrose retired moulder and Edward John Pluckrose commercial representative, (her father and brother). Effects £2451 17s. |
| 2774 | PLUCKROSE | Lucy | C1901; |
| 1476 | PLUCKROSE | Lucy Charlotte | C1891: single, a cook, living with her widowed mother; C1901: now married, living at Hare Warren, Guildford, with husband Walter J Blake, a gamekeeper. Two sons and a daughter. |
| 1415 | PLUCKROSE | Maria | C1911. |
| 2781 | PLUCKROSE | Marian Gertrude | She appears as Minnie in the 1891 and 1901 censuses but I can't find a birth record for a Minnie in the GRO index.
There is a Marian Gertrude, however, who fits time and place. There is also a Marian Gertrude in the GRO marriage
index, but no Minnie. She married William Edward Lilly. There are at least three records in the GRO birth index where the father's surname is Lilly and the mother's is Pluckrose: Q4 1912: Dorothy G, Q2 1915: Iris F and Q3 1921: Gladys M. There may be others. C1911: Marrion, age 24, born Stepney, married to William, 2 children. |
| 1397 | PLUCKROSE | Mary Ann | A possible death in Q4 1843: Stepney 2, 429, Mary Ann Pluckrose. |
| 1471 | PLUCKROSE | Mary Ann | C1851; C1861 |
| 2371 | PLUCKROSE | Mary Dinah | C1901; C1911: 18, single, machinist/tailoring. Mary Diana on her death index record. |
| 4147 | PLUCKROSE | Molly E | In the 1964 Bexley electoral register, living with her mother. |
| 1363 | PLUCKROSE | Phoebe Alice | C1861: aged 4 months; C1871; There is a marriage on 16 Sep 1899 of Phoebe SLOW, widow, age 37, whose father is names as John James Pluckrose. This could be Phoebe Alice but I can find no record of an earlier marriage. |
| 1737 | PLUCKROSE | Rebecca | C1851: 27, born and living in Shadwell, a mariner's wife; C1871: 47, married, born in London and living in Shadwell. |
| 1610 | PLUCKROSE | Richard | 1851: age 50, born Woodford, coachman living at 69 Grosvenor Mews, Hanover Square; C1861: now living at 30 Berkeley Street; C1871: no change. Also on the schedule is John Pluckrose, 14, born Cripplegate a brushmaker's porter. Recorded relationship is "Bro" which must be wrong; this is probably his grandson PL2338. |
| 2382 | PLUCKROSE | Richard | C1851, C1861, C1871 |
| 2335 | PLUCKROSE | Richard | C1841; C1851: man servant C1861: porter, b. Marylebone 1837; C1871: horse keeper; C1881: cabman, b. Marylebone 1827; C1891: night watchman; |
| 2340 | PLUCKROSE | Richard Henry | C1861; C1871; C1901; C1911: 50, widower, 9 children, 8 living, carman (furniture). |
| 1608 | PLUCKROSE | Robert B | C1841: in Eltham with Benjamin and William but no other family. C1851: in Eltham, a widower, age 61, born Woodford, labourer. C1861: not found. He died in the workhouse and was buried in Woodford on 11 June 1859 but no death record has been found in the GRO index. There is a death of a Thomas in the West Ham RD at the right time - this could be a clerical error on the part of the workhouse staff. |
| 2377 | PLUCKROSE | Robert H | C1841 (6 June) he is living in the City of London, a male servant, no family. Not quite married ? or living apart
from his wife. C1851 he is a cab driver living with his family in Shoreditch. |
| 2344 | PLUCKROSE | Robert Thomas | C1871, C1881; C1901; C1911: living in Wellington Mews, Westminster, motor car driver, married 10 years, no children. |
| 4145 | PLUCKROSE | Ronald James | In the 1964 electoral register for Bexley, living with his mother. |
| 2341 | PLUCKROSE | Sarah Ann | C1871; C1881: b. Hammersmith, tailoress; |
| 1413 | PLUCKROSE | Thomas | C1901; C1911: born in Strood, age 17, labourer. Appears as Thomas B in the GRO marriage index. National Probate Calendar 1957: Pluckrose, Thomas of 3 Sherwood Park-avenue Sidcup Kent died 9 August 1957 at Queen Mary's Hospital Sidcup. Administration London 9 September to Margaret Charlotte Pluckrose widow. Effects £2130. |
| 4149 | PLUCKROSE | Thomas A W | He is in the 1964 Bexley electoral register. Nothing else found. |
| 1421 | PLUCKROSE | Thomas Jesse | C1841 has a Thomas Pluckrose living with what appear to be his parents, Thomas and Rebecca. His age is difficult to decipher but it is probably 14, i.e. born in 1827; C1891: he is living in Rochester, Kent, with his wife Mary Ann and daughter Lucy, 28, single, a cook. Thomas is an iron moulder. He dies in Southwark a few months later. |
| 1474 | PLUCKROSE | Thomas Jesse | C1901: brassfounder; |
| 2385 | PLUCKROSE | William | C1841 in Eltham with father and brother Benjamin. Nothing found after 1841 apart from a possible death in the Lewisham RD in 1847. |
| 2388 | PLUCKROSE | William | The 1851 census says he was born in Ireland but this is almost certainly a mistake. C1861: he is on board HMS Hannibal in the Mediterranean - a boy, 2nd class [caution: there is another William born at about the same time (Q3 1845) in Lewisham who could fit the bill - place of birth is given only as London. The other William is perhaps a little young to fit the age given (17) and I think it possible he died in Lewisham in Q2 1887.] Not found in later censuses. |
| 1473 | PLUCKROSE | William | C1861; C1871: 17, living with parents in Rotherhithe, a seaman?. No subsequent records found. |
| 2780 | PLUCKROSE | William Frederick | 1891; C1901; C1911: age 27, born Stepney living in Poplar, barman, married 1 daughter. Served in the army (UK postings only) and was discharged as medically unfit because of a "useless right arm" (fracture of right clavicle and dislocation of shoulder) on 19 Dec 1917. Died in 1919. |
| 2773 | PLUCKROSE | William Thomas | C1901: carpenter; C1911: living alone in Peckham, 25, single, carpenter. |
| 2376 | POTTER | Ann | A note on Ann's burial in Charlton Churchyard can be found in the History section. |
| 2337 | REEVE | Emma | C1861: b. Cripplegate 1837; C1871: b. London 1837; C1881: b Cripplegate 1837; C1891: b. Cripplegate 1838; |
| 2369 | ROBINS | Sarah Ann | C1891; C1901; C1911: 55, born Westminster, married 23 years, 3 children all living. Sarah could be a sister of Thomas Robins who married John's sister, Sarah Ann. |
| 2366 | ROBINS | Thomas | Could be a brother of Sarah Ann Robins who married Sarah Ann Pluckrose's brother John. |
| 2387 | ROUBOTHAM | Anne | C1851: collarmaker. C1861, 1871 and 1881: wid. collarmaker living with daughter, Ann, also a collarmaker. |
| 2356 | ROWLEY | Charlotte Georgiana | C1901 |
| 4139 | SHUTE | Lilian M | No children found. |
| 1379 | SUTHERLAND | Annie | A certificate is needed to confirm that Q2 1910, Lambeth RD, 1d, 129 is the correct death record. There is a slight
complication in that Annie's death is recorded in Q2 1910 and Stanley's birth in Q3 1910. However, deaths tend to
be registered soon after the event (a certificate is needed for the burial to take place), whereas birth registrations
are sometimes delayed. If both events occurred towards the end of the March quarter this could explain the anomaly. Henry Thomas remarried in April 1912. |
| 2334 | VALE | Sarah | C1841; C1851: age 51, born Sawbridgeworth Herts, dressmaker living at 69 Grosvenor Mews, Hanover Square; C1861: dressmaker; C1871. |
| 1410 | WALKER | Charlotte | C1911. The family story has it that she was actually shot accidentally by her son Edward and his father took the blame. There doesn't seem to be any confirmatory evidence for this story (source: Phill Herold). The story also says that he is the Edward Pluckrose killed in April 1915 and commemorated on the Ypres (Menis Gate) memorial. The CWGC website confirms this. |
| 4171 | WATSON | Sophia E | No children found. No death record found. Divorced? |
| 4186 | WILLIAMS | Beatrice Alice | No children found. |
| 2367 | WILSMORE | Annie | C1901 |
| 4232 | WITHERDON | Ellen Mary E | Surname spelled Witherdon on birth record and Witherden on marriage record (indexes). |
Acknowledgements
I am grateful to the late Henry Pluckrose and Derek James for information that helped me compile this tree.
